tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post758059926283513429..comments2023-05-14T03:44:54.726-05:00Comments on CourageMan: The "God hates shrimp" fallacyCourageManhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13446189695845365897noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-21569982989798561052012-08-09T15:14:11.045-05:002012-08-09T15:14:11.045-05:00Excellent post. I'm a Protestant (Baptist) tha...Excellent post. I'm a Protestant (Baptist) that recently wrote an article dealing with the same issue in the wake of the whole Chick-fil-A fiasco (ironically, the argument I originally responded to was made (or at least upheld) by a Roman Catholic. Good to hear you didn't fall for the same trap :). I'd love your thoughts on it: carsonjrogers.wordpress.com. I'll be linking your article as additional reading on my post.<br /><br />Coram Deo,<br />CarsonCarsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02900131215053883661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-26480188353934437702012-04-05T22:32:01.971-05:002012-04-05T22:32:01.971-05:00If you're going to pick and choose, then choos...If you're going to pick and choose, then choose love instead of hate. Also, God gave us free will. God will ultimately be the one to judge us, not the lunatics that don't understand the very principles of Jesus' teachings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-66734189618767511922011-02-10T12:17:08.379-05:002011-02-10T12:17:08.379-05:00For example, Our Lord said He didn't come to e...<i>For example, Our Lord said He didn't come to erase the law, but to fulfill it, which, whatever it means in the details, obviously means that some of the specifics will remain and some will not.</i><br /><br />Which ones? Why is shrimp OK and selling your daughter is not? Aside from modern notions like self ownership for women and children?<br /><br />What is the rational basis for choosing what to adhere to? What is the law?<br /><br />Smiley,<br /><br />I was raised Orthodox Jewish and it was stressed over and over (enough stress for you?) that G-d will forgive your sins against him. It is your sins against your fellow man that require mending. Which is to say I can be a non-believer and still get to Heaven if I'm a mensch.<br /><br />Which is why Judaism is an ethical religion (see Buddhism) rather than a faith religion. <br /><br />Christianity and Judaism have very little in common on a fundamental level. Islam (another faith religion) even less so.<br /><br />There can be Jewish atheists. I have never heard of Christian atheists. i.e. a good Jew treats his fellow man well. With or without faith. <br /><br />Without faith you are either an aspiring Christian or not a Christian. Faith is immaterial to your Jewishness.<br /><br />Me? What do I need faith for? The Maker talks to me whenever he has something to say. Or to put it in other terms: experience trumps faith. H/T J. Hendrix.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-53555201856754797932010-11-23T21:49:02.946-05:002010-11-23T21:49:02.946-05:00This is a great post! Thank you! I have bookmarked...This is a great post! Thank you! I have bookmarked it.<br /><br />And, for more on the difference between discipline and doctrine, check this out:<br /><br />http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2010/09/catholics-you-must-understand-this.htmlLeila@LittleCatholicBubblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357573787143230160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-31247629888576108692010-01-25T19:06:01.365-05:002010-01-25T19:06:01.365-05:00Well, it's not just the Old Testament that'...Well, it's not just the Old Testament that's full of dietary crazy, is it? <br /><br />Jesus himself banned the consumption of Fig Newtons.<br /><br />http://godhatesfigs.net/Lightning Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09287732852487842915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-61887259165181679712010-01-25T15:15:50.072-05:002010-01-25T15:15:50.072-05:00"Or in a single phrase: Christian teaching on..."Or in a single phrase: Christian teaching on homosexuality has never rested on proof-texting Leviticus 18:22."<br /><br />For Christian teaching in terms of careful, academic theology, this is true. That teaching rests of layers of complex questions of the questionable correctness translation of the Green in Romans and Corinthians, translations in one case of a word that's only used three times in recorded Greek. Did Paul mean "passive man", or "ritual temple prostitution." Are Paul's edicts really edicts of God? Non-trivial, complex theological questions.<br /><br />But let us be honest with ourselves. Most Americans have never been formally taught theology or ancient Greek. The weight of most American Christian's beliefs about of homosexuality is more likely to come from societal inertia, marketing claims from organizations linking homosexuality to pedophelia when science points to the opposite, and signs carried by whackjobs like the KKK which *do in fact* rest their case on Levicitus.<br /><br />The photograph you linked was photoshopped from a KKK (not WBC) protest in Oklahoma City. The only parts that have been changed were the word Sodomites (now "Shrimp" and the chapter and verse. It's crazy to dismiss that the KKK and WBC's invalid argument isn't part of the culture in America, because it clearly is.<br /><br />In creating the original Photoshopped image you've included here, I picked "shrimp" for the site and the Phelps parody not because it was the most Biblically accurate argument, but merely because it was the argument being offered, and because, well, it was funny. The word shrimp is, well, funny.<br /><br />So why do people take the argument to heart? I'm not sure, but here's my guess.<br /><br />I believe that GHS resonates not because people are mislead on the actual teachings of the Bible on shellfish. GHS resonates in America, and has been successful for six years, because people actually understand that there is flim-flammery in the picking and choosing done by the Religious Right in America about the Bible in general.<br /><br />You want to "take down" GHS, you're going to have to do more than perry a parody straw man. You're going to need to, at the core, make the case to the American public that the forces of political Christianity are wholly consistent with the teachings of, well, y'know, Christ.<br /><br />Y'know, the guy who taught all about love, peace and charity, and who never once said a word about homosexuality.<br /><br />Good luck with that.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06507129113803243988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-43825192461507790452009-11-11T11:54:55.504-05:002009-11-11T11:54:55.504-05:00The fact that you need to account for the lunacy o...The fact that you need to account for the lunacy of Old Testament superstition is the point of such humor, not the validity of whether God hates shrimp.<br /><br />That is, the bible is full of crazy stuff, especially the Old Testament, and the fatuous casuistry needed to account for it is ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-28566157320834576852009-10-10T20:29:56.258-05:002009-10-10T20:29:56.258-05:00Of course the entire Christian argument about homo...Of course the entire Christian argument about homosexaulity doesn't come from Leviticus. The point of "God Hates Shrimp" is that this particular text isn't valid because it's part of the Old Testament Holiness Code, which was done away by Jesus Christ. <br /><br />There are convincing arguments that use the New Testament texts. www.whosoever.org/bibleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-54584946596680726602009-07-23T02:49:27.098-05:002009-07-23T02:49:27.098-05:00"And to be fair, "God Hates Shrimp"..."And to be fair, "God Hates Shrimp" isn't really intended to make Christians stop consuming scampi; it's more intended as the first horn of a (supposed) dilemma, the first move in an intellectual two-step..." ("suspend your morals / do-si-do")."<br /><br />I think you are right in that it is a moral two-step, but the steps go like this: "the bible contains mistakes / do-si-do / it could all be a big mistake / do-si-do." The more important question is whether it is possible to dismiss any part of the bible as irrelevant without admitting not only that the bible is not infallible, but also that there is a distinct possibility that virtually everything else in the bible could be wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-70608259305425624832009-06-17T21:03:51.759-05:002009-06-17T21:03:51.759-05:00I actually like that "God Hates Shrimp" ...I actually like that "God Hates Shrimp" site. I call it fighting hate with humor. That Fred Phelps and his crew are scary people and sadly there are some Catholic that think like him when it comes to gay people. <br /><br />Peace - MareczkuMareczkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122584421854834046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-86366205760020406602009-05-22T17:14:24.389-05:002009-05-22T17:14:24.389-05:00Wow, that is an amazingly horrible argument. Your ...Wow, that is an amazingly horrible argument. Your entire argument boils down to that it is tradition to condemn homosexuality, and it is tradition to ignore the part about not eating shrimp. That is seriously the only answer you can come up with in reference to which parts of the old covenant to follow? All you really have to say is that it is implied that you follow the anti-homosexual parts of the bible and ignore the other rules. What gets me is that people like you wonder why scientists shake there heads and laugh when arguing with you. Your arguments are so sad and contradictory that it can only be described as pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-35134231913479358042009-05-09T21:01:00.000-05:002009-05-09T21:01:00.000-05:00That's quite a claim, don't you think? That the Ne...That's quite a claim, don't you think? That the New Testament doesn't need to say anything about homosexuality being wrong because it's implied?<br />Couldn't you just turn that on its head and say that although the New Testament doesn't explicitly condemn wearing clothes made of animal AND plant fibres interwoven, it's implied?<br />You're practically basing your entire argument on conjecture here, and it's rather formless.<br />While we're on the topic, what do you say about the innumerate cases of homosexuality in nature, such as those penguins in the New York zoo, the elephant in Poland and my neighbour's cats? If God finds it so morally abhorrant, I'd question his reasoning behind creating it in the first place. To be perfectly honest, if God "genetically predisposed" me to sin, then I don't think I want to get to know him. <br />Oh, and to the other poster who heaped homosexuality in with fornication, how can you expect homosexuals to be anything else when the Church refuses to wed us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-75799356002437514212009-05-02T22:08:00.000-05:002009-05-02T22:08:00.000-05:00I actually got a kick out of the "God Hates Shrimp...I actually got a kick out of the "God Hates Shrimp" site. I call it "Fighting hate with humor." But I think Fred Phelps and his followers are scary people. What is scarier to me is that I never knew that there were Catholics like that but sadly some are lurking on the internet.Mareczkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122584421854834046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-60319336342994550152009-04-23T10:04:00.000-05:002009-04-23T10:04:00.000-05:00Hi Courage man
Sexual sins. honestly i feel they ...Hi Courage man<br /><br />Sexual sins. honestly i feel they are the most visible and affect us directly but in the list of the 10 commandmens the sexual sins are at the end. <br />There is a hierarchy and the hierarchy indicates the gravity and deadliness of the sin. As you can see false Gods, and sins against the person of God come first followed by respect for authority (in the figure of parents and then the church) make up the second set. them on it own stand anger (which is murder) and then the sexual sin or sins of the flesh make up the last batch.<br />For some reason we have put cart before horse, most catholics break the first 4 commandments ad infinitum yet we raise a big noise about the last 4.<br />As catholics we need to state the error about homosexuality but we have the much bigger duty to put right the first 4 commandments in our lives.Smileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04458504641419416339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-78015899802415197172009-04-18T22:13:00.000-05:002009-04-18T22:13:00.000-05:00Shrimp in areas where human waste is dumped carry ...Shrimp in areas where human waste is dumped carry Hepatitis and enterobacteria.<br /><br />Kosher like Hindu and Muslim food laws have a health reason behind them.<br /><br />As for selling your daughter: In poor societies, you might indeed sell your daughter into slavery rather than see her starve to death.<br /><br />Most of the gay laws in the bible were part of the strict ethos at a time when male and female prostitution was common..and older men in authority would often expect sex from young men.<br /><br />(that is, it often included sins against charity and involved harming the innocent).<br /><br />Homosexuality in the US is more commonly just fornication: A mortal sin, but so is heterosexual sleeping around.<br /><br />Since Catholics consider homosexual orientation a defect (either genetic or from early experiences) that the person cannot help, they stress the idea that one needs to humbly accept their orientation and try to be chaste, and do grant confession for those who fail..., Catholics stress continence rather than cures.Nancy Reyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910134058143426327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-80027705369841461472009-03-29T15:02:00.000-05:002009-03-29T15:02:00.000-05:00Can you give me a short version of why God condemn...Can you give me a short version of why God condemns homosexuality? I read through this, but I couldn't really find anything useful to use against my gay friend. (I do think homosexuality is a sin, but I'm not about to break off a friendship I've had for years) While I realize you were pointing out something along the lines of correlation type fallacy, I don't think that argument is really strong enough for me to use. I got the impression it was because homosexuality has always been condemned throughout Christian history, that its bad, but I've used that before, and he responded by asking me to get sources on that information, and referring to things that were considered right but are now wrong. (ie witch burnings)<BR/><BR/>Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-67685923671885023132009-03-17T20:44:00.000-05:002009-03-17T20:44:00.000-05:00You're better than Snopes.com at this stuff. Well ...You're better than Snopes.com at this stuff. Well done!CDEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01442791960391683444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13338143.post-88360076998934817202009-03-17T19:26:00.000-05:002009-03-17T19:26:00.000-05:00Wow! Excellent post. The "God Hates Shrimp" meme...Wow! Excellent post. The "God Hates Shrimp" meme is still going around, and I know few clergy who could sum up the basic fallacies as well as you just did. Glad your posting again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com